Why I worry

It is indisputable now that John McCain is running the most despicable, dishonorable campaign in history. I would have laughed it away as "desperation" if the subtext had not been so incendiary: "Obama is an uppity black man, a closet Muslim and maybe even a secret one man terrorist cell".

Don't believe me? Look at this:

Beltway Dem has a great diary about this on the rec list. I recommend it everyone as essential reading.

What worries me is not that it is happening but what that may follow. Frank Schaeffer wrote about his worries today in the Baltimore Sun:

John McCain: If your campaign does not stop equating Sen. Barack Obama with terrorism, questioning his patriotism and portraying Mr. Obama as "not one of us," I accuse you of deliberately feeding the most unhinged elements of our society the red meat of hate, and therefore of potentially instigating violence.

David Gergen summed it up yesterday on AC360:

"One of the most striking things we've seen in the last few day, we have seen it at the Palin rallies and we saw it at the McCain rally today," said David Gergen, appearing on Anderson Cooper 360 Thursday evening. "And we saw it to a considerable degree during the rescue package legislation. There is a free-floating sort of whipping-around anger that could really lead to some violence. And I think we're not far from that."

Make no mistake the Republicans are inciting violence. Their message to their predominantly conservative white base is one of bigotry and racial hatred. It is fear mongering and asks "do you really want your white nation to be ruled by a colored man?" This ladies and gentlemen is real race-baiting in its rawest and most virulent form. The media elite are still refusing to connect the dots. David Broder, in the infinite wisdom of his dotage, still believes that McCain has the answer to poisonous partisanship and none of the traditional newsprint commentators and reporters have called out McCain on this despicable campaign that will not only divide this country but has the potential to burn it down in flames.

What do I fear? Before Obama gained the trust of white Democratic voters, a lot of black voters stayed on the sidelines because they believed that the powers that be in this country will do anything to keep him from getting to the highest office.

This sentiment was shared by many blacks. After Rev. Martin Luther King Jr was assassinated we had the worst race riots in US history. It takes one lunatic to set this country on fire. I hope John McCain for the sake of this country understands what is at stake. But then again he is so blinded by ambition that I don't think he even cares.



Display:


Re: Why I worry (1.00 / 1)

Don't worry.

The media is actually pressing Obama's line of attack on McCain.   There is Gergin and today you have the NY TIMES and the WAPOST all using the word "angry".  It is almost like the media is coordinating its attacks with the Obama campaign.

Obama can't, isn't, no way is he, going to lose at this point.   He has the money and the mo and the media is behind him.

I said in another post Obama should start focusing on helping the under ticket.  He should start doing events that he has avoided to date.  he should be appearing with more Democratic candidates down ticket and helping them win.


by RichardFlatts on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 02:07:48 PM EST

Re: Why I worry (2.00 / 0)

I don't worry that Obama may lose, I fear the worst. McCain-Palin are creating a climate of violence and racial hatred. I fear the consequences of that is much much worse than an election.


by tarheel74 on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 02:09:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why I worry (2.00 / 1)

I think that is a bit over the top.

Nobody was more hated than Bush in 04 and there was no blood letting when he won.   I have faith in America and Americans.   All will be fine.   This isn't some third world country.


by RichardFlatts on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 03:00:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why I worry (none / 0)

you forget there is hatred and there is racial hatred. This worse, much worse.


by tarheel74 on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 03:02:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why I worry (2.00 / 1)

But who are the they that you think will be doing whatever you think they will be doing?

I'm in commercial development and I am surrounded by Republicans.   None of them like Obama (or CLinton or Gore or Kerry, or Pelosi, etc.) but none would ever left a finger to harm anyone or riot or whatever.   They are too busy living their own lives.  


by RichardFlatts on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 03:08:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why I worry (none / 0)

there are enough nut-jobs who are willing to do anything. They fill the ranks of white militias and KKK.


by tarheel74 on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 03:22:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why I worry (none / 0)

Secret Service and FBI know these groups and their peeps.  All is well.   I think it is probably impossible to do harm to a President in this day and age.   I mean they clear streets, close roads, on ramps, etc. when these guys travel.


by RichardFlatts on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 04:18:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why I worry (2.00 / 0)

to be precise this type of rhetoric is what leads to personal harm against someone. I fear someone might make an attempt on Obama's life or people close to him.


by tarheel74 on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 02:11:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why I worry (none / 0)

Don't worry. These people who you fear aren't so tough. They talk tough, and only want a fight with someone who won't fight back. As soon as someone fights back, they go crying to their mommies like they are some kind of martyrs.

Those who might try what you suggest - they will be handled appropriately, and suffice it to say, that they are going to be very unhappy.


by bushsucks on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 03:09:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why I worry (2.00 / 0)

This diary isn't about whether Obama will lose. Rather it is about innocent people getting seriously hurt or killed at the hands of scared bigots who have been given the green light to act on their emotions by the top of the GOP ticket.

The fear-mongering is not netting McCain any ground in the polls so I cannot understand the reasoning for continuing down this road. Perhaps the McCain campaign believes they could create or enhace the so-called Bradly Effect with these tactics. Maybe their reasoning is that they throw it all out there in the hopes that at the moment of truth us white people will be too scared to follow through with our vote for a black man.

Pathetic.


Laugh hard, its a long ways to the bank.
by JerryColorado23 on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 02:18:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why I worry (none / 0)

This is down ticket strategy, for incumbents.

They are worried they are going to get blown out, if their base doesn't show up.

The party is encouraging McCain to go there, even though it will mark him as a pariah in political history?

But, it might save some congress critters hanging by a thread in SC or GA....


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 02:29:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why I worryWashStateBlue (none / 0)

That actually makes sense. I hate it, but it makes sense.

WashStateBlue, I'm a Seattle native myself and miss it like no place else. Denver is nice, but I miss the water and liquid sunshine and the live music in Pioneer Square and the used bookstores on University and the Pink Door in Post Market and....

Well, its been years so I bet all that is gone.

Later.


Laugh hard, its a long ways to the bank.
by JerryColorado23 on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 02:54:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Its politics. Its a campaign (2.00 / 1)

John Kerry was "unfit for command."

Obama is arrogant.  Obama is friends with radicals.   Obama is blah blah blah.

Bush is a coke head.  Bush is a drunk.  Bush was AWOL.   Etc. etc.

McCain is angry.  McCain out of touch.  McCain us unstable.

Its a campaign.  People say mean things about their opponents.  


by RichardFlatts on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 03:03:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Its politics. Its a campaign (2.00 / 2)

I don't hear anyone at at Biden or Obama rally screaming

"Terrorist" or "Kill HIM"....

That's not politics..that's hate-speech.


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 03:08:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Its politics. Its a campaign (2.00 / 1)

This boys will be boys shit won't cut it. I think Obama can handle himself and protect his family. I'm mostly concerned about that young black man driving through Gwinnett County GA or Richland WA or Gretna LA on election night and a car full of pissed off rednecks decide to blow off some steam.

I can't say 100% this will happen, but the environment is becoming increasingly fertile for such violence against innocent people of color to take place all across the country.  


Laugh hard, its a long ways to the bank.
by JerryColorado23 on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 03:54:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

When Democrats are losing (none / 0)

they curl up into a fetal position and go out with a whimper.

When Republicans are losing, they decide to take the entire country down with them.

Make no mistake (I hate that phrase btw), the Republicans will not lose gracfully and if they can doom us to four years of riots and poverty and gloom, they'll do it.

The GOP has been reduced to only the hateful.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 02:23:05 PM EST

Re: When Democrats are losing (none / 0)

so what can we do? How about an independent mailing campaign to all editorials of every newspaper in this country (local and national) to condemn this campaign tactic? Can it be organized?


by tarheel74 on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 02:32:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Condemn it (none / 0)

defend Obama, keep talking about issues. On the ground in Virginia, I'm knocking on doors and I can tell you, this is not selling. McCain is only embarassing himself right now and Palin is looking like a hatemonger. It's not working, it's destroying them.

I talked to a cop today who thinks if, God forbid, anything was to happen to Obama, there could be a case against Palin.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 02:42:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: When Democrats are losing (2.00 / 1)

I wouldn't go so far as to say they're reduced to only the hateful.  My neighbors are wonderful people, who happen to have McCain signs in their yard.  These are NOT hateful people.  They bring me tomatoes, we talk about the Colts, share Christmas presents, make each other cookies and haven't once argued about politics or said anything even CLOSE to mean spirited or cynical or negative.  Let's not lump what will likely be at least 45% of the voting public together as "hateful."  We're talking about a vocal and very angry minority of GOP supporters.  Now, that anger and the potential for violence that comes with it IS something to worry about...but I'm not going around looking at every Republican like they're about to explode.  After all...I live in Indiana.  If I did that, I'm pretty sure I'd not have time for anything else.  


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 02:43:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What is their opinion of McCain and Palin's (none / 0)

attacks...probably not a positive one I would imagine.

Michelle Laxalt is almost certainly a McCain/Palin supporter and I would imagine has a sign somewhere in her house, but even she has condemned their campaign tactics.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 02:49:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What is their opinion of McCain and Palin's (none / 0)

I can't imagine they'd like anyone to be insulting.  And, since they're older, they certainly haven't been aware of any of the internet smears, so all of this would likely be very new to them.  

My point was just this.  People around here vote Republican, and life is generally pretty good so they see no reason to change.  I was one of them, until I moved away and then came back.  But they're not hateful people.  People are led to believe that our economic system is a good one and, if your life is good and you don't see much to convince you otherwise, then you'll accept that message.  That sums up the people around here.


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 03:03:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: When Democrats are losing (none / 0)

I met my colleagues mother yesterday. Nice lady who grew up in KY and now living in NC. She is told me that she might have voted for McCain but Palin turned her off and she finds these smears despicable. However this hate speech is getting some traction somewhere and so they are just ramping it up. We need to act. We need to put a stop to this. I was suggesting a letter writing campaign to all editorial boards across the nation. Is it feasible? Can it be done?


by tarheel74 on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 02:59:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Will do no good (none / 0)

As someone who used to work for the MSM, editorial boards love reading angry letters from liberals (and most are liberals themselves).

It's usually done as a means to laugh during editorial meetings.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 02:08:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Riots? Who is going to riot? (none / 0)

Republicans don't riot.  They play golf.


by RichardFlatts on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 03:04:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Riots? Who is going to riot? (none / 0)

(Warning: hyperbole ahead.)

You forget that there are two kinds of hard-core Republicans, the country clubbers and the racist gun-toting Jesus freaks.  The former will just go play golf; the latter may get blasted on meth and moonshine and do something stupid.


*meh*
by failsafe on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 04:01:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The Nazis (none / 0)

swept to power on a base of 25%.

Do the math.


by Paul Goodman on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 02:43:11 PM EST

so what can we do? (none / 0)

We can't stop it, but there is a stopping point, a line they probably will cross in the next two weeks.

Right now, what we see is viral video, captured by our side.

At somepoint, the MSM will see this, and think there is a story.

Or, something spontaneous will happen, at a rally, someone will go over the edge..YES, I think they have gone over, but I mean, something they can't whitewash with

"OH, I didn't hear that..."

You know, ONE of these crackers is going to start screaming the N-word at some point.

They can't control themselves for much longer.

And then, the RNC will have to step in to back off the campaigns...


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 02:45:21 PM EST

I think you nailed it (2.00 / 0)

Lets face it, the day the N-bomb gets recorded at a rally, this is over. They must know that.

In fact, I bet that explains the AA shill who asked McCain to "go at him". It tamps down the racists, while still fanning the "patriots". Expect more hired black people at rallies - but not too many.


by Neef on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 02:54:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I think you nailed it (2.00 / 1)

That guy was a plant, for TV and other consumption.

Not that there aren't blacks that support McCain.

The Ward Connerly contingent.

But, I think, even THEY would freeze if they knew the word that comes to mind with these people when they rise to speak.


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 02:58:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I think you nailed it (2.00 / 1)

the Republican party has its fair share of Uncle Ruckuses.


by tarheel74 on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 03:00:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why I worry (none / 0)

That girl who appears when the video isn't playing (the blonde who repeatedly appears in the vid)...I swear I know her from somewhere.  And that really creeps me out.


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 02:45:56 PM EST

Re: Why I worry (1.50 / 2)

I think she's just got that kind of face, because I was thinking the same thing.


If you hold a cat by the tail you learn things you cannot learn any other way.
by Jess81 on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 02:55:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why I worry (none / 0)

Assuming for a moment Obama wins, I predict, on the day after the election, reports of smashed windows at campaign offices across the country. You'll see groups like the Michigan Militia ramp up like never before. The KKK and other hate groups will see a surge in recruitment. And "soft light" neo-facists like Palin will dig their claws deeper into the Republican Party.


by RandyMI on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 02:47:15 PM EST

Re: Why I worry (2.00 / 1)

And "soft light" neo-facists like Palin will dig their claws deeper into the Republican Party.

Which is a problem for the Mitt Romney/National Review/George Will/Country Club Money wing of the party to deal with....

That will assure us the Latino vote for the next decade at least.

We are sitting on the SouthWest Strategy instead of the one my sig line mentions....


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 02:51:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why I worry (none / 0)

Yeah, I dunno, step outside of thinking electorally for a minute.  I really am not into the idea of living through another Klan ressurgence.


If you hold a cat by the tail you learn things you cannot learn any other way.
by Jess81 on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 03:06:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why I worry (none / 0)

It never really left.

Those people are just all at one place, all out in the light.

Really, it's a disenfectant.  They are better off hiding, out in the open, they are easier to spot, and to not ignore the menance they are.


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 03:11:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why I worry (none / 0)

We need to take Palin down before she takes her thuggery to Washington. She is a dangerous thug and embodies the bigotted, intellectually incurious wing of the Republican party.


by tarheel74 on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 03:01:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I predict the same pattern (none / 0)

we saw after the primaries.

First a bitter 60/40 split. Over time, most of the 40 trickle back. Some never do, and go hardcore in the other direction (militias you mention).

I wonder if the 40% would present themselves as some cohesive organization (American Unity My etc)?

On silver lining is that the Dem Primary was like 50.05 vs 49.95% or something. Hopefully this won't be nearly that close. A good solid landslide would do wonders, I think.

Worst case: McCain wins popular, Barack wins electoral. I think we all know how that would go.


by Neef on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 03:03:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I predict the same pattern (none / 0)

There's a major difference: the reason you could predict that there would be no lasting split in the Democratic party was that there was simply no way for hardcore anti-Obama people to organize themselves fast enough, or along any princples that anyone would ever be able to articulate.  There's no built-in "against sexism but tolerant of every other prejudice civil libertarian unless Obama is for it also and tolerant of Larouchites and 9/11 truthers but also pro-Iraq War" wing of the party.  I mean they're out there, but there's nowhere for them to go.

Here there is.  The Southern Poverty Law Center tracks them.  They've been around for over a hundred years.

It should also go without saying that the people we're talking about different and much, much nastier, but that's subjective: I'm just trying to demonstrate why the two situations aren't comparable without resorting to explaining the differences in the people involved.


If you hold a cat by the tail you learn things you cannot learn any other way.
by Jess81 on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 03:13:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I see your point (none / 0)

Nor do I in any way conflate our partisans with theirs. But I think the overall themes of division and reunification will play out on some level.

Especially at the moderate GOP end, many of them will dislike the fact that Obama won, but respect the office. As you move rightward, I think the "time to acceptance" will vary.

The factors you point out may means that a larger permanent opposition evolves.


by Neef on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 03:26:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I see your point (none / 0)

problem is that the current Republican rhetoric is beyond the realms of civic discourse in an integrated society. This is the language you heard when Strum Thurmond or George Wallace was running for president. This has the ability to do real harm to our society.


by tarheel74 on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 03:35:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

People may not like this (none / 0)

but do remember that we now have the Patriot Act.  It can be used, and if the right-wing wants to go this route, we may have to.


Formerly Clintonite4McCain Joe Lieberman Democrat. Supported Biden then Clinton. Will vote for Obama/Biden over McCain/Palin.
by ClintoniteNoLonger4McCain on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 08:32:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Ugh (none / 0)

I'm so not comfortable going that route.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 02:10:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Well this I guess (none / 0)

is my difference with much of the anti-war left (and why I'm a Lieberman Democrat).  

I supported the Patriot Act and warrentless wiretapping to go after terrorists.  I understand the Bush admin have abused these powers, but I do believe these powers are needed.  And if there is domestic terrorism (KKK, militias, and any other violence than the right-wing wants to do), the these powers should be used to combat that as well.  


Formerly Clintonite4McCain Joe Lieberman Democrat. Supported Biden then Clinton. Will vote for Obama/Biden over McCain/Palin.
by ClintoniteNoLonger4McCain on Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 01:36:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why I worry (none / 0)

If it continues, I predict that what will necessarily follow is an influential and respected Republican that comes out and speaks up against it. Someone like Bush Sr., Nancy Reagan or Colin Powell. People who actually do put country before party. Laura Bush could be a great voice if she would actually stand up. None of them would have to endorse Obama, they'd just have to say that some people should be ashamed of themselves.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 03:10:32 PM EST

Re: Why I worry (none / 0)

I hope you are right. Because right now the McCain campaign is definitely taking this country over the precipice.


by tarheel74 on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 03:25:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why I worry (2.00 / 1)

If I was Obama's team I would try to ramp up security... limit walking through crowds in unprotected areas etc.. I would seriously worry about some wackjob doing the unthinkable...

Better safe than sorry..he's up in the polls...


by obama4presidente on Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 03:51:15 PM EST


You are not logged in.

In order to post a comment, you must be logged in. If you have a member account, please log in to comment.

If not, you can make an account right here. It's quick and free.