Obama is Weak

Obama today. His actions is gettting beyond me. Where is the fire and strength inside him to attack???

Day in day out he is willing to tell the world of the 'honoruble national service' of Mccain. While McCain never pays him back the compluiments. What is he doing??
On the day he won the primary battle. June 3rd. McCain showed himself little when he refused to honour Obama. Yet Obama bows down and down to 'honour' him. SICK.

Gen Clark delivers a laser guided missile on McCain and he stand one day later to 'reject him'.

He has dismantled Democratic 527's earlier this month.

What is he doing?? Does he think he can play nice with the Republicans??

He is weak?

I'm furious.

If he doesn't show fire. I refuse to help him, anymore.

I'm sick of weak democrats.

TODAY:

Only reference to McCain is to honor him, says he "endured physical torment in service to our country."

Implictly rebukes Wesley Clark's comment about McCain, saying "no one should devalue" the service of America's veterans- "that goes for supporters on both sides."

Obama statement says "of course he rejects" Clark's comment disparaging McCain's military service.



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Re: Why oh why Sen. Obama? (2.00 / 2)

Clark was either a launching a trial balloon or he was a loose cannon.

It was a dangerous thing to try to do, not necessarily because it was counter-factual, but because of how firmly entrenched Senator McCain's image as a foreign policy and national security expert is.  Additionally, this is not the sort of thing I expected from the Obama campaign.

Clark rolled the dice, either on Obama's behalf or his own.  I wasn't happy with Clark's remarks, and you know what?  He took a chance, not for the first time.  He's "gone there" a few times, but never quite so boldly as this time.

The American public will invariably side with the gritty war hero over the well-coiffed general.  It doesn't matter that Clark's criticism was largely correct - to the American electorate there are just things that are off limits.  Apparently getting within a million miles of criticising John McCain's service (or more precisely the significance of it) is one of them.

Learn the lesson, painful though it was, and move on.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 01:01:49 PM EST

Re: Why oh why Sen. Obama? (none / 0)

I happen to 100% disagree with you.

It is up to the Democrats if we want to make McCain untouchable.

How dare they shit all over John Kerry's service in the SAME war, but put that shiny R badge on the solider turned politician and that is like a sci-fi forcefield.

I don't know what side you fall on Reaper, but Clark is that weapon, and he ECHOS what alot of servicemen, especially ones who spent their lives working for the military like Wesley Clark, and not John McCain.

See in the America YOU see, Wes Clark and John Kerry could never be the heros they are, because they are no good liberals.

Why does the GOP get to own the military election after election?


by DemsLandslide2008 on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 01:09:25 PM EST
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Re: Why oh why Sen. Obama? (2.00 / 1)

Oh, I thought it was disgusting what the Swift Boats for "Truth" did to John Kerry.  I was mortified.

That's kind of why I was uneasy with Clark's remarks.  The point is not to do a slightly cleaner version of what the Republicans do.

I want Obama to raise the level of discourse.  There's a way to say what Clark tried to without crossing a line.  Yes, Clark prefaced it pretty well, but he gave them the soundbite they could bury him with.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 01:20:18 PM EST
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Isn't this how it works? (2.00 / 6)

Surrogate attacks other candidate.  Nominee rejects surrogate's statement.  Attack gets in the media but nominee appears above it all.


by JJE on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 01:03:07 PM EST

Re: Isn't this how it works? (1.80 / 5)

Thank you. As I mentioned in another thread. This was the second time Clark said these comments. He said them on Morning Joe but they hardly got any traction. I don't how it's playing in your neck of the woods but today at work people were talking about it. Let's see how this plays out but it's a good risk to take early in the campaign.


Welcome to a landslide WITH white working class, latinos, women and holding on sweeties!!!
by spacemanspiff on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 01:06:58 PM EST
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Re: Isn't this how it works? (2.00 / 3)

Exactly.

Thank you.

Funny, how many times you have to explain politics to people on a so-called political blog


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 01:07:51 PM EST
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Re: Why oh why Sen. Obama? (none / 0)

This is a sad story to have to report.

Man, I swear Obama needs to build his coalition now and trim down on the advisers.

Let Clark speak his mind, as Civilians we all need to realize that when in the armed forces NOONE can question your experience there other than an outranking officer.

Clark is, Obama isn't.

Obama, please let the military guys fight their own wars, me and you dont carry that type of weight and we never will.

Clark is your best weapon against McCain's "military experience".

Clark is 1000x the soldier McCain ever was, and that is just based that McCain abandoned his military carreer (his choice, nothing wrong) and Clark decided to carry his career all the way to
General and Supreme Allied Commander of NATO.

Lets hope these are all slips, this is when GE's start to get slippery.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 01:05:29 PM EST

Re: Why oh why Sen. Obama? (none / 0)

Well he has rebuked Gen. Clark now. I suppose that is the end of Gen. Clark both as VP or a attack dog.

Nice one Sen. Obama. Nice one.

Prehaps Obama believves McCain is the same as Clinton or Edwards. Who both have principles and limits in what they do.


by Makey on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 01:16:55 PM EST
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Re: Why oh why Sen. Obama? (2.00 / 3)

"I suppose that is the end of Gen. Clark both as VP or a attack dog."

Not at all, didn't change the dynamic EITHER way?

Obama HAS to remain cordual and complimentary to the McCain, particularly vis a vis his military service.

Clark has the service bon a fides to attack.
And, he would do the same as VP candidate.

Actually, my take is, this is probably a trial balloon, to see how effective Clark IS as the attack dog.

Makes me think, to a certain extent, this was coordinated with the Obama staff, and they were ready to have Obama make his statement following Clark.


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 01:33:38 PM EST
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Re: Why oh why Sen. Obama? (2.00 / 1)

Now why do't you change the title of your diary. Or better yet, before posting LEARN something about politics before you get your panties all in a twist.


by venician on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 01:40:34 PM EST
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Re: Why oh why Sen. Obama? (1.66 / 3)

It's precisely what needed to be said, and every time Clark says it, he gets the same reaction: utter shock that he can say such an over-the-top thing as to suggest that McCain's POW status is no qualification to be president.  The problem is that he's damn well right; being a POW is an image builder, not a qualification builder.  We know it, and the rest of the country needs to hear it more often.

It's astounding just how short the GOP memory is, when it was they who disparaged Kerry from here back to Vietnam.

Obama distanced himself from the comments from that doesn't mean he doesn't approve of them.

This was the second time (first was on Morning Joe) in which Clark said exactly the same thing. That doesn't look like a gaffe or a blunder. It looks like a choreographed attempt at bringing this issue to the forefront.


Welcome to a landslide WITH white working class, latinos, women and holding on sweeties!!!
by spacemanspiff on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 01:10:39 PM EST

Re: Why oh why Sen. Obama? (none / 0)

Well, I guess this means that Clark's chances to be VP have been significantly weakened, if not destroyed outright.


by rayj on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 01:23:17 PM EST

Re: Why oh why Sen. Obama? (2.00 / 0)

Well, one way to look at this is that Clark swung for the fences.  If he'd been able to hammer McCain at his strongest point, well, he'd have gotten the job.

If he can't do that he has little appeal to Obama.  Either they can leverage Clark's credentials or they cannot.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 01:26:30 PM EST
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Re: Why oh why Sen. Obama? (2.00 / 1)

I happen to get a little insight into the political mind of Clark, and honestly I never knew him to want the office.

I read a perspective by his son on his 2004 race, their conclusion was that running for office is for politicians, not army guys.
Two different worlds when it comes to campaigning.

Anyways, Clark is going nowhere.

Democrats LOVE the guy, have loved him for years.

No reason he wont remain at the top of the next cabinet.

If not VP, definitly DOD or Secretary of State.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 01:30:38 PM EST
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Re: Why oh why Sen. Obama? (2.00 / 2)

Obama did the right thing. He made it clear that the comments Clark made were Clark's comments and not his. That's all he had to do. Now maybe Clark's comments will get the analysis they deserve instead of being seen as an attack by Obama on McCain's service record. Let McCain go at each other on this issue. Clark is right and people will see that unless it becomes an issue of Obama criticizing McCain on this issue. That's how the GOP tried to spin it. They had to do that, because Clark is right.

I think this just enhances Clark's shot at the VP nod. Clark gives Obama the security creds that only Clark or Webb can give him.

Clark is a better choice than Webb for a number of reasons. He doesn't have the sexist millstone around his neck that Webb has. He was/is a strong Hillary supporter. He was high enough in the hierarchy of the military to get executive experience credit for that service. He's less controversial than Webb. He looks great on camera and has the gray hair people associate with experience and maturity. Lots of things to like. It doesn't hurt that he was probably the front runner for Hillary's Veep choice, either.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 01:37:05 PM EST

Re: Obama is Weak (none / 0)

HULK IS STRONG!!!


by the mollusk on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 01:53:38 PM EST

Re: Obama is Weak (2.00 / 1)

I don't think Obama has shifted to the center so much as his campaign is gearing up to make its case to the majority of voters who haven't really been paying attention up until now (and didn't cast a vote in any of these primary elections).  Political junkies vastly overestimate the extent to which many voters (esp. indies) pay attention to the candidates or the process.  Not knocking Clark, but the headline Obama needs to avoid is any cursory linking between him and Vietnam (Republicans would love for him to step into that trap, this was before his time).


by IncognitoErgoSum on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 02:35:30 PM EST

Obama's not weak, just smarter than you. (none / 0)

Want to lose to McCain? Step one. Attack his military service. I haven't heard Clark's quote, but it sounds like he was off the reservation.


Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.
by Travis Stark on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 03:55:34 PM EST

Re: Obama is Weak (none / 0)

 Do Not Want


by Mae Scott on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 07:55:43 PM EST


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