PA, OH, FL: O +7, +1, -4 (Quinn Poll)

Read about it!

It will be nice to see the electoral maps that rely on the most recent poll flipping to Ohio (get right on that Jerome!). A key take away from this poll:

By a 44-39 percent margin, Florida voters want a Democrat in the White House. Ohio voters want a Democrat 44-35 percent and Pennsylvania voters are seeing blue 50-32 percent.

So Obama has room to grow, dispelling the smearing portrayals of him foisted by the rethugs, such as with the convention appearance last night, will likely help with that effort.



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Re: PA, OH, FL: O +7, +1, -4 (Quinn Poll) (none / 0)

If Obama held Ohio by one over this last week, I feel reasonably good about our chances.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 08:54:02 AM EST

Re: PA, OH, FL: O +7, +1, -4 (Quinn Poll) (none / 0)

Both McCain and Obama had voters in their party who during the primary said they would never vote for them.   In my mind the candidate, or the party, that bring more of these voters back on board to support their ticket will be the winner in states like Ohio.

I can't decide who has the harder sell, McCain with the wingnuts, or Obama with the working class whites, and seniors.


by RichardFlatts on Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 08:57:58 AM EST

Re: PA, OH, FL: O +7, +1, -4 (Quinn Poll) (none / 0)

Obama has the harder sell, I feel.  McCain has had more time and Republicans, for all their faults, do a remarkable job of burying intra-party divisions and getting together.  Mitt Romney went from McCain's most hated opponent to his biggest spokesperson.  Same with Limbaugh and the "we won't ever vote for McCain" blowhard crowd.

It's easy to be better at politics when you have such an enormous deficit in principles.


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 10:56:36 AM EST
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Not much change (none / 0)

A little dip for Obama in Florida, though I think his last numbers were a bit inflated.

I'm struck by the Ohio numbers re: 2004 voters. Bush voters go for McCain 87-11; Kerry voters go for Obama 87-11. Forget party ID, this indicates how close it is.

Not having Ken Blackwell in office may be the most important determinant in Ohio.


by elrod on Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 09:58:09 AM EST

Doesn't this (none / 0)

sorta indicate that the "PUMA" in Ohio are probably Bush Democrats?


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 10:22:11 AM EST
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Re: PA, OH, FL: O +7, +1, -4 (Quinn Poll) (none / 0)

I feel pretty good about these polls.  Of course, I'd like all of them to be better, but they were taken during the BY FAR worst period of Obama's summer campaign.  If that was the outcome during that period, it shows good base strength and room to grow as long as we campaign hard and stay on the offensive.

What speaks volumes to me is the ground organization that can't be polled.  Kerry's was pitiful and Bush had a sound operation.  Now the tables seem to have turned - mass organization on the Obama side and a McCain machine that seems like an underfunded Bush operation without the reach or goodwill.  Case in point...

McCain has 9 Ohio offices; Obama has 56 Ohio offices!

McCain has a handful of Pennsylvania offices; Obama has 29 offices!

Even in Florida where McCain has 39 offices and a tremendous amount of demographic strength and appeal - Obama still has 36 offices.

That's not counting the enormous number in places like Indiana, Virginia, North Carolina, Colorado and even North Dakota - where the McCain presence is marginal.


by dmsdbo on Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 09:59:25 AM EST

Re: PA, OH, FL: O +7, +1, -4 (Quinn Poll) (none / 0)

Republicans, clearly, have rallied behind McCain.  I'll suggest a few reasons for this.  The Republican primaries ended more than six months ago.  They weren't nearly as protracted and acrimonious as the Democratic contest.  The Republicans have done a good job defining Obama to their base as an out-of-touch liberal.  Some fraction of voters who used to describe themselves as Republicans no longer do (those left are a more hard-core bunch).  Republican voters, in general, are more susceptible to the whole "hate" thing.

ne of the funnier aspects of likability polls is the ease with which GOP voters will come to hate whomever is on the other side.  I think that's just a function of the psychology of being a Republican.  Hating the enemy is one of the benefits.  They see the world as "light vs. dark", as opposed to the "every argument has two sides" relativism Dems are famous for.

Anyway.  These Q poll numbers aren't bad.  If the election were held today they suggest that Obama would probably win Ohio by a few points.  He's winning indies by a small margin, and of the Dems who are still on the fence Obama would just need to win half (though the more he can win over the better he'll do).  

Still, can't help but wonder what role race is playing in all of this.  McCain is winning over voters who are over 45.  Can't help but think of my grandfather (who lived in Cincinnati, though he's passed on).  He's the sort of Democrat who would have said, "I hate the Republicans but I can't vote for a black guy" (and would have voted for McCain w/ a second thought).

Love you, grandpa!  You were a great guy!  You were friendly to almost everyone!  But this was the crappiest thing about you.  Hope you're in a better place and have learned how wrong about this sort of thing you were.  


by IncognitoErgoSum on Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 10:01:23 AM EST

It will come down to Ohio and Virginia (none / 0)

The more I think about it, the more it seems that the election will come doen to  Ohio and Virginia. Obama has to win one of these two to go over the top.

And I think that Ohio will be the more difficult of these. In the opinion polls before the primaries, Obama's strength in Ohio was usually overstated.


by ann0nymous on Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 10:01:45 AM EST

Re: It will come down to Ohio and Virginia (none / 0)

"Obama has to win one of these two to go over the top."

Nope.  IA + NM + CO would do it too and that seems pretty likely.


But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.
by thezzyzx on Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 10:04:58 AM EST
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Re: It will come down to Ohio and Virginia (2.00 / 1)

Damn, beat me to it.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 10:06:44 AM EST
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Re: It will come down to Ohio and Virginia (none / 0)

Sorry :)


But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.
by thezzyzx on Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 10:09:27 AM EST
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Hmm, I did not think of that (none / 0)

Cool, good that he has another path. Just for curiosity sake, if McCain pulls off NH, would it make a differnce?


by ann0nymous on Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 10:55:16 AM EST
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Re: It will come down to Ohio and Virginia (none / 0)

He doesn't have to, though he seems to have a better shot at Virginia than Ohio.

He will take Iowa, Colorado and New Mexico. And that give him the win.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 10:06:29 AM EST
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Colorado (none / 0)

My guess is that McCain basically ceded Colorado after his water renegotiation gaffe; with the highly inspiring Democratic convention held there, it seems doubtful that he'll get much headway.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 10:37:01 AM EST
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Than How Does He Win? (none / 0)

McCain can't concede Colorado any more than he can Ohio or Florida, any one of those states costs him the election.

If he concedes Colorado it means he has to keep Obama from taking New Mexico or Iowa, both of which are stronger for Obama. And he has the same problem with water renegotiation in New Mexico as Colorado.


by Davidsfr on Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 10:43:51 AM EST
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He'll make a play (none / 0)

for Michigan and New Hampshire...and probably still will try for Pennsylvania


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 10:57:59 AM EST
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Michigan Schmichigan (none / 0)

No way he can pull off Michigan, it is a pipe dream.

NH only gives him an electoral tie if he writes off NM and CO--Iowa is now at least as likely for Obama as PA.

No, I think he has to try to defend Colorado, he has already backtracked on his previous statement, and we can look for more "clarification."


by Davidsfr on Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 11:32:13 AM EST
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He could always take Minnesota. (none / 0)

+snicker+

Hey, it could happen.  If he changed his name to "Barack Obama" and hoped people voted for the Barack Obama with an (R) after his name.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 11:25:26 AM EST
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PA looks to be in the (none / 0)

"bag," though I make this claim with trepidation; Obama has held anywhere from a 3-7 point despite not performing particularly well this summer and not having made one visit himself to the state whereas McCain has made at least five personal appearances.

Florida is becoming to us what Michigan is to McCain, though I suspect McCain has a much better shot in Florida given that he hasn't spent a dime in Florida on ads while we bombarded him with them and only been able to stay within three for our efforts.

Ohio, Colorado, VA, and NH are complete toss-ups right now.


by Blazers Edge on Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 11:12:31 AM EST

Sure Is Taking Jerome a Long Time (none / 0)

To flip Ohio on the electoral vote counter.


by Davidsfr on Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 11:32:51 AM EST

Re: Sure Is Taking Jerome a Long Time (none / 0)

He messed up and flipped OK instead of OH.


But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.
by thezzyzx on Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 11:57:17 AM EST
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I see that (none / 0)

I e-mailed him again to fix it. Wouldn't it be great if Oklahoma was in fact blue?


by Davidsfr on Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 12:06:15 PM EST
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Re: I see that (none / 0)

I was wondering what poll had it that way for a moment before I figured out what had happened.


But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.
by thezzyzx on Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 12:35:31 PM EST
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Now Ohio and Oklahoma Are Blue! (none / 0)

Let's not get too cocky!


by Davidsfr on Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 12:28:36 PM EST


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